Posts by Old Navy

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"Secret Sins"... a catalyst for change both negative and positive

by silentbuddha in

i have been completely out for close to 5 years and i have spent alot of time with individuals who either left or are in the process of leaving.

whenever we get to talking about what made you leave or what was it that made the flip switch, the initial answer is some doctrinal teaching.

in other instances it was just sorrow or a variety of other things.. however, as you get closer to many of these individuals it was generally a secret sin they committed at the root of it all.

Old Navy

I think Pale Emperor may be on to something. My last association with a congregation (1998-2003) was an eye-opening experience where I began to see TTATT even before I knew what it was. The numbers of young wives leaving their husbands was unbelievable. Nearly all went to the World. I now have a better understanding why.

While it is true that many leave the Cult in a state of high morality, it seemed to me that most left the Cult during my association for reasons of "immorality." Can't really blame them...

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Shocking news

by Confusedalot in

i recently posted about what would happen if my mom got sick,seeing that i'm apostate.

even today i posted on a thread about blood transfusions.. i just received a text from my brother saying that my mom is in hospital and requires a transfusion to survive....is this a coincidence?.

am i being punished by jehovah, or is the devil out to get me...i dont know anymore what to do.... things are getting too much, guess i should not have joked so much in my posts..

Old Navy

The Jews were Gods chosen people...

The House of Israel (Jacob) was chosen. The "Jews" (Judeans) or House of Judah made up the Southern Kingdom and were very, very stiff-necked or prideful and arrogant. "Jewish Thinking" originated in Babylon during the exile and later with the creation of their "Holy Books" which superseded the Torah.

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Please vaccinate your children

by Viviane in

and remember your boosters as adults!.

currently there is a measles outbreak in the u.s. the outbreak is clustered into communities where parents choose not to get their children vaccinated.

vaccination works primarily on herd immunity.

Old Navy

When one discovers the number of infants, toddlers and teens who have died following vaccination one does have pause for thought.

Why are some vaccines so deadly and others relatively benign?

What sorts of ingredients make up the typical vaccine?

Have vaccines ever been used to spread disease, create epidemics or to propagate a new disease?

The complete Truth about vaccines, how they are produced and what they contain is not encouraging.

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Let's talk about Blood again....

by stuckinarut2 in

i know we have all talked about this topic before, but for some new ones on the forum, or to refresh ourselves, i wanted to start this thread.. the society likes to go on about the sacredness of blood, and how it should not be transfused etc.. they liken it to a symbol of life itself.

something that should be respected and therefore not transfused.. but, what is more important: real life, or a symbol of life?.

an illustration came to mind.. if we give a bunch of flowers to a loved one as a symbol of our love for them, are those flowers more important than the love itself?

Old Navy

Quote from This Page:

John 6:53-56 ESV
So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.

Food for thought...

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Blood Transfusions are Biblically Supported

by allpoweredup in

to jehovah's witnesses elders: blood transfusions are biblically supported: acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 samuel 14:32-5 says saul's army ate unbled meat to not starve and no verses show god not forgiving them.

christ says god also forgave david's eating temple holy bread to survive and that god wants mercy not sacrifice.

(mt 12) the may 22, 1994 awake tells of 26 jehovah's witness kids who died without transfusions, and by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives http://www.ajwrb.org.

Old Navy

Here is a very comprehensive article about The Law and Blood.

Quote from the article:

It is still true that blood is sacred; Jesus died to save us from our sins, and his blood is spoken of throughout the NT as vital and sacred. The REAL question is, is the eating of blood still to be equated with profaning life? Not in most modern cases of incidental consumption of blood. Furthermore, does the usage of blood as a vehicle of saving lives (as in blood transfusions) at the same time constitute a profanation of life, or a respect for life? The answer should be obvious.
It also must be clarified that transfusing blood is not the same as eating blood. The WT confuses the issue by pointing out that blood acts as a kind of "food" in transfusions (see Blood, Medicine and the Law of God, pages 17,18), whereas the REAL issue they should be concerned with is whether or not the use of blood to save a life is profaning it. Such is certainly not the case when a person is dying, and a blood transfusion may save their life.
It is important to note that orthodox Jews today, while STILL OBEYING the OT laws against the eating of blood, believe there is nothing wrong with taking a blood transfusion. Even the legalistic Jewish mind does not make such a connection, yet the Governing Body of the WT forces this interpretation on their people.

Much more at the link above.

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Did you ever hear ".... we are here to Educate the Sheep, not Entertain the Goats"

by Lostandfound in

and what other verbal nonsense did you ever hear as a one-liner to defend / promote 'the truth'.

Old Navy

Quote from Punk of Nice:

... they're just not willing to stop practising sin

Let us hope that Practice makes Perfect! Lookin' for a Hot Time in the Old Hall Tonight!

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Your View Of Death How Much Does It Effect The Way You Look At The World Around You?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

lets face it the watchtower's indoctrinations effect the way we look at the world we see governments as tool of the devil.

we look at our relatives different, we will not speak to our own children if disfellowshipped.. a better world is what christians promise believers, or hell for those condemned by the deity.

kiss the ass of the deity and go to a better world, and don't forget to put something in the collection plate on sunday.. to face death with out the crutch of a future better world for beleivers, is better, as you can cherish the life you are living and be more in the present while facing what ever life throws at you.

Old Navy

What is the healthy view of life and death? Most it seems love life and are sad that our present lives are limited and will end in death. When our friends and loved ones depart in death it is a time of sadness and grief.

WT teaches that some will experience a "permanent" death or a death without resurrection. This is, of course, not a truthful teaching as The Word tells us otherwise. The WTBorg Cult Inc. also teaches that the Lake of Fire will be an instrument of extermination and that those who experience it will also be exterminated or destroyed forevermore. This too is an un-scriptural teaching which no doubt originates with that segment of Christendom which teaches Hell and Hellfire.

"The Truth" is riddled with false doctrine and teaches a "Good News of the Kingdom" which in "truth" is not good news at all. Fortunately, The Word does reveal a Really Good News which is gradually becoming known among those who are fervently seeking Truth. All will be saved; not a single soul will be lost. There is more to the story but the Truth about Death is very encouraging.

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Bethel Lurkers-A woman's Heartfelt phonecall regarding the organisations inhumane shunning policy!

by UnshackleTheChains in

i hope bethel lurkers at warwick listen to the rational viewpoint of this australian woman in the recording below.

she virtually pleads with an australian branch member as to the reasons why shunning is inhumane and how unfair it is that individuals are being held captive within the watchtower organisation.

they can't simply leave officially without the threat of being shunned by friends and family members.. typically, the branch member responds in a robotic like manner, sticking rigidly to watchtower policy.. https://youtu.be/sc_t60ax5k8.

Old Navy

Quote from Confused a lot:

If you have the truth, and Gods holy spirit you should not fear any information that is contrary to your own. You should not fear your members being exposed to false information, you should not fear members being exposed to apostates or ex members or worldly people, because the truth and spirit will always win. This is truth and love: Not being afraid!
Yet the GB tries to keep itself and its members isolated and controlled, under the pretense it is to keep them pure, while back at the ranch its because they know their lies will be exposed, and in their hearts they know their darkness wont survive in the light.

You've said that well; I'm sure that all exJws would agree. What puzzles me is that so few exJws go the additional step to finalize the statement; admitting that the WTBorg Cult Inc. does not serve the Almighty One but rather, serves The Adversary aka Satan the Devil.

Perhaps even after waking up the residual fears are so powerful that they prevent voicing the logical conclusion which is indeed scriptural.

The WTBorg Cult Inc. is truly a Satanic Cult. That is TTATT.

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Shocking news

by Confusedalot in

i recently posted about what would happen if my mom got sick,seeing that i'm apostate.

even today i posted on a thread about blood transfusions.. i just received a text from my brother saying that my mom is in hospital and requires a transfusion to survive....is this a coincidence?.

am i being punished by jehovah, or is the devil out to get me...i dont know anymore what to do.... things are getting too much, guess i should not have joked so much in my posts..

Old Navy

So, will your Mother receive the transfusion she needs to overcome this illness? Or, will it be denied her for "religious" reasons?

Somehow, putting blood into the human body where it actually belongs just doesn't seem wrong. The body itself makes blood and infuses it into the circulatory system. Therefore, a transfusion is simply an external method of duplicating what the body does naturally, albeit at a much accelerated pace.

In order to "eat" blood we'd have to take it in through our mouths. Which is precisely what Satanists do when drinking the blood of animal/human sacrifice victims. That is wrong.

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JWs MUST Accept The Watchtower Teachings EVEN When They Are Wrong!

by minimus in

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isn't it unbelievable that a jehovah's witness must accept whatever the organization says or they can be disfellowshipped??

unless they tell you that their understanding has changed, you cannot believe anything unless they say it's ok. .

many years ago i questioned them about their ridiculous view that whenever the word "heart" was mentioned, it was a literal blood filled organ.

Old Navy

Quote from _Morpheus:

about ten years ago DO’s (when the org still had DO’s) were giving a talk that said, and you just cant make this nonsense up, that even when the GB is wrong they are right. Yep. You heard me. Even when wrong they are right because they are gods representatives. I think it end up being in a study article also... it was surreal

Upon hearing such a "whopper" the normal, rational, thinking unimpaired student would recoil in horror.

The Father of the Lie is back in town...

Isn't it rather amazing how the Cult can sell such stupidity?